The Pistache Podcast – Episode Zero

The Pistache Podcast – Episode Zero – This episode is an introduction to the hosts Nick and Jamie Bennett, who are also known as Pistache. It reviews their work and talks about the future of the podcast. This episode goes off on tangents to talk about Bruce Lee, MMA, Sneakers, Hand Poked Tattoos, Becoming an Artist & Working with Brands and Art Clients.

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This transcript of the Pistache Podcast has been generated using artificial intelligence, so it’s not perfect at this point. This is also episode zero, so we’re talking over each other quite a bit. So going forward the transcripts should get a lot better.

This is The Pistache Podcast we’re talking about art, creativity and culture brought to you by Nick and Jamie Bennett.

So this is Pistache Podcast Episode 0. We’re just going do a quick introduction to what we’re gonna do in the podcast. Here we are. That kind of thing. So I’m Jamie. I’m Nick. We’re brothers. We run a business. We run two businesses. The main one is, well you can find us at Pistacheartists.com. We’ve been running this business since 2003 out of London. Now we spend most the year living in southwest France. We also have a hand poke Tattoo Studio in Bayonne called Indigenous Tattoo. So can we talk about both those things? I guess the podcast is mainly about mainly about Pistache early says introduction will be mainly about Pistache and the podcast where we’re thinking about doing something as mainly sort of art based. But then we thought that’s kind of slightly limited and probably what we find just as interesting as they are is actually the creative side of things where creativity comes from talk to creative people about their ideas creative process. Yet the creative process and then the third thing we talk about is just culture in general because, what we realized is between the two of us spend a lot of time travelling and sitting around and just have conversations and we should probably just record that and it could’ve been a good podcast.

Yeah we’ve met a lot of amazing people over the years and now a lot of very interesting people who maybe we’re a bit less in touch with these days but in some ways maybe that would be the fun of it is that we’ll also be reconnecting with people who we’ve known you know who are really special or have done really amazing things as well as going out and finding new people and seeing where this podcast kind of takes us.

Yet we’ve also recently connected quite with a couple of quite interesting art galleries and then also with the big street art festival that happens down here every year so there’s quite a high probability we’ll be doing some in connection with those and interviewing all the artists who come down for that. But that’s obviously to be confirmed so well.

Also we speak good French and English so we may at some point especially like what Jay was saying as far as the guy who organizes the event is an incredibly interesting guy who speaks no English. Yeah we might even chuck in a French one for the French cheese out there yet but we’ll see how it goes. He does speak in English so we probably even on those ones try to keep English as well.

Yeah. So this could end up being a bit bilingual. so we would work our way of marking those out so people can either listen to them or skip onto the next one on the website or whatever podcast app listening to. So obviously a big thing for us, if you could subscribe on where you listen to this podcast if you’re listening to on YouTube anything like that would be a big bonus for us.

And apparently that makes quite a difference as well as far as if people can do that early on within these first few that are going to be put out that has quite an impact on you know kind of how the podcast is put out there.

Yeah. So if you could share it with friends family social network even I guess anyone you actually don’t even like but think might enjoy the show would be good. Yeah. So if you could subscribe on your podcast app or on YouTube and give us a thumbs up, five star rating, leave a comment. However that works where you’re listening to us. We’d definitely appreciate the support. Yeah. Another thing you can do is you can subscribe to the Pistache newsletter which on our Web site Pistacheartists.com when you subscribe you will be automatically entered for some dude free giveaways fashion clothing giveaways. You get advance warning about new drops in online store and also you’ll be able to stay up to date with the podcast. And also we did quite a lot of live events as well. And obviously if you wanted to go one step further you can click on the shop link on our Web site.

You can check out all the latest offerings we got on their clothing art pieces customization that kind of thing stuff does tend to go out quite quickly and we never really do whether it is a screen print or a clothing item. We generally keep things very limited and we do have a certain amount of the following so we have quite a lot of people that pick up things straight away. Yeah.

I mean I guess most of our work really is customization creating big on objects. Yeah but what we wanted to do is have something as accessible so of everyone that didn’t have sort of crazy prices that some of our pieces of in game for recently which is obviously nice for us but we try and do more things on there where you can pick something up for you know 50 hundred two hundred that sort of price range and yeah obviously that all of it helps support our business which helps support the podcast which helps us find better artists is better people to speak to going away you know connecting with people internationally that we’ve worked with and then obviously taking recommendations once people start listening if there’s someone they’d really like to hear from. Yeah I mean recommendations not right about guests but topics how a podcast put together anything. Yeah exactly how it sounds we tried to get a pretty process up here both. See this is Episode 0 so you know we’re hoping that there’ll be upgrades to equipment or those kind of things never see any support you get you send our way will go directly into improving the audio quality here see obviously if anyone wants to send us comments or anything I can get in touch with us on social media or via the Web site and that would be much appreciated.

Yeah we definitely appreciate that and on social media I think we’re pretty much Pistache Artists on everywhere. Instagram Facebook YouTube Twitter. I think it might have a slightly different you are Alan linked in but I think if you just stick in Pistache Artists you’re going to find us.

Yeah. Into any search platform.

So I think pretty much what the main. Thing or when I was thinking about the title of the podcast. You know obviously we just went The Pistache Podcast because we wanted to connect with our already existing audience. That seemed like this easiest way to get that done. And then obviously I wanted to talk about art things because that’s kind of what we do in a lot of people. We connect to and hopefully be guests on it or generally artists. But I was kind of probably slightly even more interested in the creative side of it. You know how can everyone nowadays I mean a lot of people get in touch with us and commissioned us to do work for other clients. They’re called like creative agencies nowadays and they do.

I don’t know sort of linking up people like us with businesses and yeah.

But how creative is. I don’t really know. I guess they sort of do come up with.

These creative ways of linking people up I mean we certainly worked with a lot of more maybe corporate brands than in the past probably through these agencies though we may be also maybe in some ways didn’t really want to but it’s been really interesting. You know obviously some more interesting and better than others but it has taken us in some direction so I guess that’s a little bit creative to a certain extent.

I guess what most people you know if people are brands are hiring us they really want to be sort of hiring us.

Yeah I reckon you know they’re probably when brands are hiring us I think some of the time they’re hiring us just for the services we do which we probably do better than a lot of their other options. Kind of the technical work like shoe customization and all that kind of thing. I think a lot of times so they’ll come to us because well quite honestly sometimes I’ve tried out our competition who might actually be a bit cheaper realized they just do like a super shoddy job and they’re not as prepared as we would be.

Funnily enough a lot of these places are agencies as well. So we found from businesses that they don’t actually know necessarily who is going to come down and actually do the job which I could if I tried to put myself in their shoes I can understand that that’s a pretty weird kind of thing. I mean you’d expect at least to have an introduction see the work and have maybe a choice if they’ve got multiple artists that would makes more sense to me but apparently it’s not the way.

As far as the feedback we’ve heard from people from previous Yeah I think that generally still O’Kane would be like this show us that. Yeah I think a thing is generally I mean I guess we just don’t see that side of it. So some of them probably do more so due diligence on us connecting with their brand. Some do less but then that goes back to some brands you work with and you’re like they’re just like all over the place and people just scrambling to actually make something happen when you work for yourself. Generally I think if you’re going to stay in business you got to be way more aware of the details and you’re not just phoning it in like you know a lot the branches are people just turn up and just do a job and go home and don’t really care about the results that much.

Yeah you may be a little bit when you’re at work but like you said you can then go home and forget about it and I think anyone who’s listening who does their own business whatever it is yeah you have a different investment in it obviously. You have a different way of processing it because of that.

I mean I’ve heard people say things like Oh its okay for you. That because you run your own business. Am I. Why is that okay for me?

I guess that means we hardly ever sleep or even often dreaming about yourself. You’ve got to do or what you’re doing or is it’s a full on. You really do invest yourself like I said and you have to.

Otherwise you’ve got no chance it’s not going to happen. Yeah. And then we do actually with the taxing with the art stuff we do get quite a lot of requests for people who are actually interested in I guess doing you know apprenticing on the tattooing area. So if I guess a lot of times it’s like people are asking for. So if you know how to either tattoo or art things and you pretty much should I generally try and give them a slightly harder time. You know like can just be a bit harsh for them to see how they react you know because I mean we had someone the other day that’s running a small clothing company and I just said to them you know what. Honestly you’re just not gonna fuckin make it. This just isn’t going to happen and you’re not going to the way they’re going about it.

You’re just not gonna make it work. You know I mean I guess this is a kind of little point where we could say that originally Pistache was almost I mean we were always doing customization but it was essentially a clothing company and it was originally called Pistache clothing. So we do have a lot of experience in that. Especially from the ground up and we didn’t take it alone we literally made some clothes sold them at Camden Market and then got shops and went the slow route essentially.

And that’s only the last 15 years. If you think before that I worked American Apparel with a friend Peter Mathews I think would be a good person to get on the podcast and could be a regular loses here and he’s a creative interesting guy. He’s got good ideas as well but they’re not I guess our ideas are more arty but he comes from more of a PR background where he has more interesting PR story type ideas which are more mice really that’s the what people are interested in these days it’s like oh you got to have a story of brands gotta have a story you got to be like telling a story the whole time and when I did I do definitely think that it’s like it’s important but like there’s that thing of like I find this is just me personally of the difference between having a story and almost trying to create a story.

And I think I think in general I see through that easily. You know I think you obviously want to create like something as well. But there’s got to be something that’s the basis of it. You know that’s real that’s true. That’s that I think also that’s what is diverse and what makes things actually interesting. Yeah. Personally that’s I’m more interested in that kind of thing than if I just see that people are just trying to make up some backstory or make up something just for the sake of it. Like you said because it’s so important these days are apparent it’s so important.

I guess going back to you know worked for American Apparel helping them set up in Europe and then before that us. My wife quite a few people we know will work to a company called moist as you are aware that was ground on up work in the shop stockroom.

That was like. That was a cool shop because it was an independent shop but they did so well and the guys the so-called Dave and that ran it they really had you know we were safe for example some of the only people selling stuff see in that area and those guys will actually go and grab it and bring it back and it was just a really interesting time as well as far street where I mean to put it in context. We’re both basically roughly 40 and so we were kind of doing that from the mid 90s until the early 2000s and then we start Pistache clothing in 2003. But obviously for us I mean that you know every everyone likes their era I think or finds it interesting I mean a safe me for example I was in a hip hop group from the kind of early mid 90s ish and so this is one of these kinds of things where I talk hip hop with a lot of people younger older and everyone kind of thinks that they had the golden age. I can remember even having a girlfriend in the late 90s and her brother was a little younger and there was kind of a little bit of a shift going on there around that sort of late 90s 2000 and I remember kind of putting it down a little bit but then I actually realized at that point that that’s just kind of stupid because the media you know this is the thing we created an art arty things is that they resonate with you in different ways they bring memories they bring your feelings you know it’s like you hear a song and boom it takes you straight to like a place or a feeling or an instant or something these songs probably more than anything maybe do that.

I mean yes that’s the smell among the smells. You know I mean I was actually thinking in so many other day about creators saying about food and smells taking you back to places and I kind of do find that but I guess it’s so with a song you can just hear a song. It can be. It’s exactly the same thing yeah. Where with a smell it might remind you of a person first time you get out in Hong Kong and you smell what you like in the street. So it’s know that but it’s obviously it’s not exactly the same smell but it does trigger something.

I think maybe also with the smells from my personal experience kind of like you say they trigger like a very specific memory for example but it’s like you said it may be just one person or arriving somewhere whereas a song you obviously not just going to listen to it once. So it kind of joins more with like an era or a year or it could be a summer or something like that.

You know especially songs over the summer I actually think about that immediately is when you hear me were studying in Bordeaux for a year and we had a super crappy apartment like it in a really centralized but slightly dangerous location that no one to come to visit us. Do you remember a certain C.D.? I ask when Rakim  came back on the scene with that album that was called The 18th letter. Was that what is was called Yeah I think so I think that’s right. I remember us just having that C.D. just on repeat.

That was a really cool thing as well because I guess rack him like we knew of him and we’d heard it because we were hip hop heads so you obviously delve into the past and I mean especially hip hop is kind of specific thing because you delve into all the music that preceded hip hop but what I mean to say is that Rakim was slightly before our time even though we heard it but then for him to be doing something and I mean yeah he’s God he’s like a you know he’s one of the handful of legendary guys who totally changed especially from say my point of view coming from a rapper.

He changed everything for rap. You know the actual rapper he was just you know it was one of those people that just came and just did amazing things you just never heard.

Well I think one episode we definitely I have to do is creativity in rap. And then I mean you I see like Top 10 lists of emcees hip hop artist tracks and then again even with say within say I guess is you’re going into the air and our podcast there should be more just culture in general possibly crossed over. I mean its art as well. So you know all the things are super so varied but at times people like this person is like the best hip hop also take someone like Jay-Z for example you know it’s like I like Jay-Z personally I actually like the more commercial kind of clubby stuff better. Right. And when you get slightly deeper just. When it’s more on the lyric I know a lot of friends who lyricists like say tell me everything. I my best.

This person is the best rapper of all time. Yeah it’s like well like you said it is an art form. Yeah it’s like it depends what you like. I mean you know I was a rapper but say for example the two other rappers I was working with. We all had a very different style and in actual fact our style actually was quite close to representing what we liked. One was more technical one was more like fully rounded and flow and everything like that. Mine was more flow and a little bit more abstract because those are the kind of people that I really personally like you know and in turn each one would be saying he’s the best rapper of all time or he’s the best rapper of all time. But I mean on top of it it’s a kind of ridiculous thing to say because it’s music and the music behind it changes everything. You get a good rapper on a crappy beat. It’s not he’s not gonna be able to make a great song out of it.

Although for me and this again is a personal opinion I think you can get a mediocre rapper on a good beat and I’ll listen to it way more than a good rapper on a crappy on a way rather that I think a lot of people are into well I guess it’s hard for us because all of our friends are a lot more into hip hop are musicians rappers deejays producers work in the industry or something so you know like on some WhatsApp groups people will Oh yeah you need to go listen to this and I’m like well you’re like a spoken word poet. So like you know I understand why you love that I’m listening to it. I’m like that is just doing nothing for me like I’m not even I could just listen to it just go straight past it.

Yeah I’m not back. I’ve never really been much into that either. And again like I rapped with people who turned into spoken word artists even though they were kind of more traditional let’s say rappers to start with. In fact this probably a good time to say it because like we said we really you know obviously going to want to get guests in. And one of the first ones I was saying to Jamie just earlier would be one of the people who is in my group is a rapper who was formerly known as Yungun is now known as ESA but he’s an incredibly interesting character and he I think a lot of people I’m not saying he’s aloof by any what by any means but that’s to say that he has another job and at one point he actually had to almost choose between rap career or the other career and I mean he ended up choosing the other career because he could still be a rapper at the same time and do both. But all of that to say he was you know I mean anyone who’s into Uk Hip Hop knows the name and then he did lots of solo projects lots of combined projects. But one of the other people who we’d really like to get as well on the hip hop thing and maybe even both of them together would be great as Mr. Thing and they did a legendary album together Yungun of Mr. thing. This is when s it was still known as Yungun and these you know like super important pieces of Uk Hip Hop.

So that’s just to give you that all kind of thing that kind of gets almost like S is almost like a good example of.

Yeah when we say media it’s actually like S a Yes. Everyone you know all of our friends and stuff like that. I mean like I say I was I was in a rap group rhythm when I was like 15 or something like what we started when we say you know there’s kind of a debate in my head.

What’s better is like you know you see a lot of love our friends surfers and skaters either pro semi pro at a time when they made no money and almost yeah.

Is that better. I mean obviously there’s a lot of luck like in life. It’s like whoa you know what’s happening in our industry what’s happening in there what I mean is it better to.

I don’t know if there’s an answer because I think it’s very different for everyone but like is it better for example or if you like surfing to be a doctor or something like that make really good money and then go surfing before and after work at the weekends.

And on top of it with that kind of money you can go and travel and surf and I mean anyone who is a surfer. I mean it’s another thing to give a background as we’ve been surfing since you know for 35 plus years basically now but people almost maybe found it odd that we were hip hop kids who surf or something like that. And this is one thing that we’d really like to integrate. I mean I’m gone on a little bit of a tangent here but this is one thing that we think makes things much richer. And we’ve always enjoyed having kind of liking multiple different things and combining all of that. I think it becomes more individual and you go in ways that like you know you might take hip hop a different way if yourself or someone like that. I mean again this is a kind of tangent but I because the UK hip hop scene was I mean I’m not saying it’s a small scene but I guess the commercial scene for us. Like if I compared Uk Hip Hop to French hip hop for example French hip hop has like a lot more commercial stuff than U.K. hip hop’s ever had I say that is commercial in France and it might sell well but that’s it’s really a question in language because obviously you know hip hop is an American art to start with and there’s all the you know from commercial to everything by. But just the fact that we speak the same language. The commercial hip hop in the UK is always going to be dominated by the US whereas other languages maybe that has a slight edge.

I mean we haven’t been in the UK for last 10 years. I think there’s more you know when we when we were if you’re talking about when we’re you know actually in the hip hop thing up the last 10 years. It’s like almost no one was actually literally like breaking through and selling loads of records where now I think there is quite a lot of UK artists who I remember we would get excited because some UK artists would literally sign a deal.

Yeah. Not even now I’m talking about you know I remember for example that anyone who is into UK hip hop knows a legendary skinny man. And as far as I remember and I mean this is kind of delving into my not so good memory vaults but I think he signed a deal with talking loud and I couldn’t tell you exactly what year it was but it was in that late 90s 2000s early 2000s I’m guessing. And then I think unfortunately for whatever reason it didn’t happen. But I remember on the circuit and any one I’d just walk around town and bump into there. If you heard like yeah you know skinny signed we’re talking now and I mean talking now is great. And Giles is incredible and stuff but it’s not like he signed with I don’t know all those big people.

That era is like most people have no idea who really pays. Exactly. I mean are you any man or these kinds of people where you say someone like tell me Evan’s point is right at the height of his game.

Yeah I mean you know you and me were out one night and we bumped into Tommy and he’s sitting there with Nina Chery or something which for us. And then bearing in mind that Nina Cherry You know like it was a pop star. Yeah something like and I mean they did the music together but even just the fact that they were sitting together almost than just chit chatting was kind of crazy.

You know where now I’m guessing against being out of the U.K. You don’t really get it but like say Professor Greene or something like that. Yes you know I’m assuming he sells records but I know he’s a person that people know you know I’m guessing most people actually know who he is. But I remember going back to. I can’t remember what the what it was called but it was like a night in London and I wasn’t the jump or either way and it was I think it was basically the first thing he’d ever done and it was like a competition where each week you’d have all the elements of hip hop and someone to come on and someone else would come and battle them and then whoever wins that goes onto the next week’s one and they just kept on going like that shiner y remember which is cool because yeah he took it.

And the thing is that L.A. to eat friend of ours Marc Simon who has his own label now and worked with Sony at the time and I mean he’s just the he’s a kind of music encyclopaedia in the same way the art that is jazz or something took it talking that was the U.S. agreeing to ours.

So that was the first time I think he’d ever done anything and then he just kept winning week after week like battle rap. Yeah. But that point is like a total nobody thing probably like 2004 maybe in and now I think he’s pretty well known I guess social media can just push people to have a more interesting story.

Yeah I mean well one thing I was going to say is in my era I guess you could maybe say and this was kind of late in my area of hip hop was Roots Manuva.

Yeah he’s one of the only people who I think like burst into the outside of the hip hop scene you’d hear it on the radio not on a hip hop show that kind of thing. He was one of the only people I can literally think of off the top of my head with that dreamy gaze.

I think if you look at not that I really do but if I look at Glastonbury line-up I think there’s loads of Uk Hip Hop. I mean I’m assuming for me it’s almost like that’s not even UK hip hop as the genre is something else.

Yeah I mean that’s the cool thing in the UK is like when you’re talking to people from other places we’ve got such a rich history in music and then like any way it can be the cultural links with say Jamaica for example and that’s had a huge impact say like someone like Rodney P. People like that there are just a lot of people who have those origins. So of course the music slips in and creates a genre. But what I was gonna say is how many different types of quote unquote dance music and stuff like that and genres of music have come out of actually the UK. Yeah it’s not just the US that’s you know I think these things I think probably go the other way.

I think it showed how which was what the exact statistic was. It is either something like one in seven records or downloads or whatever you’re going gonna call it now comes from the UK Yeah. And I don’t know if that’s like produced in the UK or by UK artists to write yeah what it is going away is kind of go up and down that year pending on the specifics of it but I think a lot of that you know how much of that is okay. So you got like the Beatles. Yeah well I mean I don’t I I’m assuming a lot people still listen to the Beatles. I mean I don’t know how many people like listen to Led Zeppelin whether that is still like a mean of us they’re not as massive as they were.

I was actually I was tattooed and some youngsters a couple of days I say youngsters couple days go early 20s. The girl out of the blue had seen light when Zeppelin and again like I can’t remember.

I don’t know exactly when this was. Must be relatively recently because she’s only 20 21 had got C’s opinion like Paris or something and now okay. These two are actually specifically they’re quite cool and I know them quite well enough tattooed them quite a lot but I was really pleased to hear that some French 20 year old girl who actually on top of it is more into hip hop and dance and stuff like that. I actually went to a Led Zeppelin concert.

Pretty cool. I’m guessing you know possibly that one in 7 or whatever it was. You know what percentage of that is taken up by just giant artists.

I guess this is the thing is that when it comes down to it when you’re talking about those giant artists you’re talking about Elvis. You’re talking about the Beatles. You’re talking about Michael Jackson. Yeah you’re talking about a handful of people and the facts friends you know they’re basically they’re all Americans that we’re saying but they are like the Beatles and are the Beatles. The top one. Yeah.

I couldn’t tell you but I mean definitely be a lot of basis to say that but like you said I mean like the rock era and I mean what I like about your podcast in general some of the ones I listen to is how super shit their facts are.

You know we definitely can come with it facts there’s going to be shipped back. There’s definitely a lot of bro science because I kind of feel like I know quite a lot about certain things. But when I actually probably try to explain my shit that I think I know jack about and definitely feel free to call us out on it.

Yeah no issues there. And when actually when you were talking about feedback earlier we got no issues with negative feedback.

Our feedback actually is really beneficial and really good and I’m not just saying it’s not necessarily bad feedback but constructive.

Yeah negative feedback negative that it’s not actually the word I was looking for but what I’m saying is saying not calling us out on something like that. That’s exactly what I’m talking about like feel free. Hopefully all the way from the UK. Yeah yeah of course.

So you know I’m a MC I’m guessing if however you take out a light for you one.

I mean it’s sort of irrelevant isn’t it. He was just talking about I think what it got into there so back. They’re also interested in his say you know start surfing and being a doctor as opposed to trying to be a process for mate you’re living doing that right. The same with art isn’t it. So we could have normal day jobs. We’re borrowing more money have a much easier life in some ways but I do want to be somewhere nine to five and I don’t want someone to ring me up and saying I need to do this and the others say it’s been too long now. On top of this being waited I mean I’d only be doing that if the opportunity is in saying you know like working for someone really cool or you could take us for a long line.

Shawn Stussy or something like that or some shout out to Shawn and funnily enough he even though we’re in kind of the middle of nowhere in south west France I have bumped into him once and said hi to him and he has recently bought a place yeah like literally just down the road. Walk down the road for me like 10 minutes away. Yeah. So he’s obviously someone else you never hear from and who knows whether we could get him but he’s definitely someone I’m going to try and get for you guys. Yeah. And for us. Yeah. As such an inch. He’s an iconic like yeah.

I mean it comes back to then. So say we had day jobs and we’re then doing art in our spare time say like so is the thing or some other piece we know you’ll make music.

Say yes he’s making music the way he wants to. He doesn’t think that thing. Yeah. Whether it’s commercially viable or not.

But the thing and then you kind of then you’re making it for yourself or. Yeah. We’re with us like you are. Sometimes we put something out like that portrays I think oh this is fucking awesome we don’t really get new screen paint you do it and you put it out you like it’s not like what you see. Don’t give a shit. And then literally been at some events for I just write something on the side of likely a pair Jordans on the side of a pair of Jordans lights on phrase and you literally get ten times more feedback shares like some things for some even in five minutes so you can like or.

He will kind of like I must have been a cool idea and like you say I mean people like it because they like it before especially like when we work in our artistic process. I’m a very I’m very technically minded. So I look at things a lot of the time and it goes in term with the kind of artwork I like. I mean I love abstract work and stuff like that but I like work that’s got work put into it and it has something technically you know I’m just attracted to that sort of thing but I mean like you say this is the thing and what one thing I really wanted to say about creative process and this kind of runs on from what you were saying is the like when we were saying about for example comparing to if you’re a professional rapper like yes or if your work in your other job and you’re doing it purely you know you make your home studio you can record when you want there’s all these good but there’s always going to be good and bad it goes back to this kind of like you know where do you want.

We obviously love traveling around Asia and love Eastern philosophy at our level philosophy to be honest and always interested in whether it be religion or spirituality or or anything.

What I mean say is it comes back to this kind of yin yang thing where you can’t have the good without the badge can’t have the bad without the good. Everything has to have those two sides to. There’s always going to be a plus or minus.

I mean a lot with line anything if you just got a hold of your money just doing creative well it’s music are surfing skating whatever it is you’re tuning your skills much you’re doing a lot more fine tuning all the time and you’re spending more time on it and we all know the more time you spend on something the better you’re going to get.

Yeah I mean I think that’s a plus. I mean so then if you’re doing it it’s like an outside hobby things spending less time. How good is it? Yeah like you’re spending less time. But this thing comes back to life. Yeah well that could create something incredible that even turns to be commercially viable. Yeah. Whereas even when you’re trying to think about that it could be a total flop and I accept it.

But then do is generally the better work done when someone’s hungry as fuck and trying to do it for sure from what I see.

Yeah I think so. I think it definitely. Like you said and it definitely takes you places that you wouldn’t have gone if you’re literally doing it as a hobby. Yeah.

Or however you want to call it or say for us we like or the thing comes interesting is when you have to do a new job and we’ve like spent 15 days at the beach trying to paint and varnish surfboards in a tent working fine Marina Silva stuff like that but then you know once you’ve done that you’re trying to do all these things and paint you surf with the same time and varnish and see or something with sand everywhere. So yeah it’s so difficult. Le fifteen days and you know 10 12 hour days doing that plus travel and all of that. It’s like when someone just comes in my OH CAN YOU PAINT surfboard while I said a stress level how high is like not Iran in the right condition.

Yes you’ve got your studio set up where you do your work or whatever is here’s a world apart like you said it just makes like you go so you kind of climb the ladder yeah sort of let’s say you know so much more by having those intense things and like you say the other stuff is easy. And then you know all bad. Yeah you don’t have to. Technically yeah let’s say speaking it makes it easier because of all of that kind of things wind sand and I say like at the beach paying a surf board compared to a clean environment for vanishing and stuff like that technically it’s so easy that you can probably then that’s not a concern. You’re not even thinking about that aspect and you’re really going. I would say more into the creative than because you got more time to think about that if you’ve got say let’s say 10 hours to do to do a project. Well you know you’re not going to spend much time thinking about Well where am I going to varnish it is a sun on it all that crap it’s just a waste of time essentially I would say you know like the time spent on that but like you say I mean is it what how can that become a point where you don’t think about it. It’s only by doing it all the time. That’s literally a question of how much time you spend doing it.

I don’t know if the audio picked out I can hear my seven month year seven month seven month year old seven month old daughter call you out on that street crying for food downstairs.

You’ll probably hear about that I thing that’s the only thing since we started the podcast. I think her noise is about the only thing that seems to penetrate naturally pick up in the background because she’s either very very cool like 95 percent of the time or 5 percent she is just going screaming if I say no you’re man and it’s super loud pretty intense but we apologize and apologise for the not really you know that’s just I’m sure it doesn’t make much of a difference on the whole experience and that comes down to it and it’s I mean this is for sure this is something that again like this give you an insight into how Jamie looks at things is he’s very much like on the preparing and making things like.

So when we go and do an art show for example and this is this is something interesting as well. I was talking to a guy at. Now the other day it was this week when I was tattooing he’s interested in learning to tattoo doing a hand poking and you know is something that not a gigantic amount of people into it. Just explain basically the hand poking you’re not using a machine you’re actually just picking up a needle and in turn you could pick up a thorn of the cactus if you wanted to.

And basically it’s just that the most old way of tattooing something that pierces whether the most old is definitely a good grammar where you’re the most old nurse there but yeah and getting something whether it be ink or something that basically colours it.

And I just basically thank my friend of ours. I can learn how to tattoo. He’s like a real master tattoo. Lard Yao Peter if you want to get like anything someone else who we’d really like check out this stuff. Yeah. Really interesting guy. Super interesting dude spent quite a bit and time in a Thai prison. I think we’ll let him tell a story if he does come on. But he’s very interesting if you’re going to have a look at him I think you can burn paper and then piss on his nice tattoo.

I’m not saying anyone should be doing. Definitely. You’d likely get shut down a thing. Mean we’re going to have to have a disclaimer at the beginning of the podcast so don’t do anything we say we have to say we have no professional qualifications we actually do but definitely we’re not doctors.

We don’t play doctors on television. None of that shit.

So don’t be pissing on burnt newspaper and trying to tack and picking up like a safety pin or something like that and starting to pay yourself where the websites people tattoo shit is so cheap now you just buy online from a supplier you get everything you need to do your own home tattoo if you’re literally going to do it just spend like fifty dollars fifty pound fifty euro some more inks and then you get sterilized needles yeah you’re going to need money all the supplies you need to do like well a professional level as far as keeping it clean yeah and that’s the important thing to be going and going back to it’s I was talking to this guy he wants to learn and this is two things that I wanted to talk about in general when we’re talking about this episode 0 and ourselves was number one the thing of so I’m going to help basically this kid and he’s you know while this kid again yes I sound like an old man or whatever but he’s the brother of the girl who I was talking about earlier. He wants to learn tattoo. He’s 21 or something like that.

Obviously the only person in people that he can learn to do these techniques is us because we’re the only people and I don’t know how many mile radius who do it but we found this when we were learning to tattoo and especially this is actually more on your side because you don’t. And you know this came more from your side of things the mildly more of the prep come here pretty well.

Yeah exactly and you start tattooing before but this was a big thing was trying to find someone and actually gave a shout out to Holly which is boo tattoo you think. At least on Instagram she was I mean it was magical for us was like just going up and seeing her body at sea studio two in Derby. And anyway so we actually did finally find someone who helped us you know go down that path. But this is something that we find that like people are always like they always want to kind of keep it close to their chest like their techniques and know everything they’ve learned but something that we’re just not worried about. I’m happy to teach a kid and people would be like well hang on a sec let’s look at this kind of let’s say logically from a business point of view we’re the only people that do it. So if you want to come and get that kind of tattoo isn’t there’s not even any competition because we’re actually the only ones. But you know so should I teach a kid who lives in our area. And then what. You know years down the line sometimes it’s going to take him awhile years down the line. What kind of work is he going to be doing. I’ve got no issues with that. And you know like well you know what I’m trying to say is that we don’t really look at it as a competition but it’s super important.

But the hard work is here. Exactly. And a majority of time people don’t. Yeah that’s the thing.

They come back like you said. And the thing is with something like say this kind of tattooing or something like that is I really want to pass it on to other people.

I want to see it grow. Yeah. And I’m interested in that because so many let’s just say you know from what from my point of view I love traditional techniques and this is a thing when we were learning to tattoo with the machine. You know I was learning to do it and I like to think that I’m quite good technically like kind of on the technical side that say of techniques in art and things like that you know I’m a hand screen prints or I could scream print out you know like I could expose a screen in the sun I could you know I could actually do it with no power in these kinds of things but all of that to say that the tattoo with the machine for whatever reason even I felt like I was getting technically relatively proficient with it let’s say it just in my head and I just didn’t do it for me and as soon as you did one or me and showed me the thing I was just like boom and that’s the same when we scream print stuff. We do it totally by hand. There’s not a machine in the process at any point other than now we’ve actually got kind of like a slightly industrial machine just to dry things off just because you know it just basically makes like screen printing things wash fast. Yeah and I say that. It’s like it’s a machine cost half a hundred quid. Yes it’s like a big iron basically. That’s not exactly the most technical thing. But basically yes. So that was one thing I wanted to say about sharing the technique with that guy. And now I’ve actually totally forgotten what the other thing. Oh yeah. This this is what it is that we have this creative process. We’re going to be a lot of rambling. Yeah sorry I’m never coming back to the right.

The original subject. That’s my speciality. I’m thinking of it. So I apologize in advance but the other thing so one was this thing of sharing techniques and passing on knowledge to other people. I love it. Lot people don’t. Yeah we really do. And it’s been super important because people are passed on so much crazy knowledge and actually a little chance to just shout out for example. I think they still call KT & Paul and its Paul in particular who kind of really set me on the path and showed me so much stuff about screen printing. When I go out of art college if I hadn’t had him there again it would have totally changed everything that we did. It would. He was so important. The knowledge he passed on and the fact that he was so free about it and happy about it. Yeah. And you could have said the same thing there’s not many hand screen printers you know is he teaching me and then are we going to go and kind of take quarters. Yeah. Take his business which obviously again didn’t happen.

So that was that thing we tried we tried really hard. I mean the shout outs Paul who’s actually now in Canada is still there. I mean he’s the best screen printer as far as I’m concerned.

And I’d like to think I know a fair bit about screen printing his best screen printer in the world.

I’ll just check that out there for oh have you seen other people’s screens events. But you just look at it and I guess it’s like with anything you did a lot of years surfing skating martial arts playing basketball all these things and people who come with the thing you took so many like to be like oh yeah I’ve been doing this for five years and in their minds they think that’s you know it’s not like it’s a shit amount of time. Yeah but like as if you’ve mastered that’s the beginning. Yeah. Yeah that’s like not even the big you know even at a point where you realize it’s the sort of cliché thing you don’t even know that you know nothing. Yeah. In five years I mean think you know something a way I was talking with my wife about this show watching a show is that portray artist of the year on Sky Arts whatever it’s kosher. I kind of like it. You know I kind of hate looking at art shit at the same time sometimes and it’s got better each season beginning I’m just like I could literally when they came I could tell you what job they do. Like there’s this woman was like oh she illustrates children’s books like oh this is fucking Mariana so she had a straight shot it looks like obviously she does because that’s what her portrait looks like you know it comes through but then a lot of it they’ll be they’ll do self-portrait in the beginning and then they have four hours to do portraits I’m afraid. And the self-portrait they’ve got as much time as they want to. No but then they’ll say someone how long this taken to be like six months. I’m like it’s the same with martial arts like going to one of our martial arts teachers like you don’t count how many days or months or years. It’s like how many hours did you do.

Yeah you know and it’s like 26 months but it’s not like two hours a week is that that kind of hours a day that kind of almost loops back to your thing about the pro thing whether you work in or you work on the side you know these this is a big pro of like the thing of not having a job as a doctor like we say though is compared to being a surfer and being a pro surfer how many more hours you’re going to be in the water.

Like literally it’s not even comparable. Yeah yeah. It just isn’t. Yeah but yeah. And so going back to it and this is probably one of the main things that I thought about talking about was.

So when I was talking to this kid he’s going to be doing it by himself. Yeah. And you and I have this creative process where we work as a pair.

Yeah.

And to be to be all going to make that a bit of a year or at least do an episode on a because I was thinking there’s lots of you know you then go to like other artist Joe’s like fail or particularly for us says like Warhol and Basquiat new book just came out and Tash and thanks to Carla Sheinman who actually sent us a copy as a present yeah for doing a latest tattoo. But that’s always been the duo where we like Okay so my style are quite often gets compared to Basquiat. I mean I guess it’s like if you were looking like basket or a really light basket. But if you put of course a painting of a dancer next to painting he’s done something like it.

And on top of looks more like Picasso at certain points so either way and let’s say on top of it Basquiat as someone who’s jacked hard. Oh yeah. At the moment but yet people are like almost dressing up like him painting like I see my people are walking like here on Instagram who literally there’s one dude he’s got quite a lot of followings on Instagram if that is what he calls worth.

Yeah I mean yeah I don’t know the danger to it. We’re not going to name him. Instead she dresses like him so much looks like he’s had plastic surgery to look like a. Like Same haircut paints exactly the same share. And it’s like well what’s wrong with that as well. Like it maybe I like it. Don’t fucking like it. Okay Warhol is more interesting because I’m very similar to him. You’re similar to Warhol in the way that he has a lot of screen print in and what we said I like the process.

Yeah I’ve always been attracted by the process and obviously it’s obvious the screen printing for example and yet I like how I’m thinking French now. Post-war you start censoring and stuff like that. You know I love those.

I’ve always loved it even when you were a heart stent. So yeah exactly. So like one of others. Just do because we know a we’re better at it.

B there’s going to be slightly more enjoyment doing it and I think it creates something where like you said the thing that the artwork that we do together looks nothing likes Saskia now. Does it look like I mean this is a few years back and we don’t live all that far away from Bilbao which is in northern Spain and it’s got an incredible museum a Guggenheim Museum and there was an incredible show on Basquiat here?

I’m guessing a few years back now and they actually had one of the big circular rooms because I mean the buildings incredible the space incredible. This is the biggest Basque year show I’ve ever seen by like 10 10 times more work than anything I’ve ever seen anything I say is I’m sure it’s the biggest so if they call it a retrospective. Yeah writing is said it was the biggest retrospective order that to say you know there’s this one big circular room and there was like these huge kind of iconic pieces that they did together and if anything if someone’s going to say Well your work looks a bit like this or that. Yeah I must admit that it does look a bit like that. But to be honest I mean I was obviously aware of the pieces and I’d seen them in books but it’s obviously different when you see something in the flesh and I mean obviously the scale everything like that you know plays a huge part but like you said of course you can. Nothing’s gotten any influence. Yeah. And of course you’re going to be influenced and we particularly liked though those pieces some people who are big basket fans hate those pieces. Yeah. You know what I mean but I slightly hate them.

This is the thing that comes back to is it’s like and then people are like talking shit on Warhol and yeah we did a on Instagram and if you will follow the story out the other day with the cover of that new book and I said well was Warhol better than Basquiat something I think Basquiat came out like 80s. Jason Yeah something like that at the end but we had a few then the M’s from people who then artists artist friends and they’re sort of random take this so running Warhol down saying I was just sort of like a talent scout and stuff like that and stuff I was like Yeah but you know have you looked at how well you could fucking draw.

Yeah I mean like it’s not like at least if you’re going to say that yeah do some research it’s like saying it’s an opinion and it’s fine if this is your opinion but if you’re basing your opinion on no knowledge it’s like you can’t turn around to me. So I couldn’t draw.

Yeah and he was like with early Picasso shit like if you go to him that the was in Barcelona isn’t it a gallery of his early work was just like sketches. It’s like it’s a great he’s a fucking draw as well as anyone else. You need to anyone you’ve ever seen. Yeah. Mark and say with Warhol again you then going right. So he was also awesome at screen praying is like if you just look at those books and when you look at things brilliant photography. Yeah.

And then has an eye for curation and then I’m going on this creative process is creative to almost be a tier talent scout even if you’re literally going to call it still something super creative and is only certain people that can see yeah genius let’s say or things like that and a lot of the time this is another thing that always grates me is that like you know when you’re talking about like who’s the best of all time and all it’s like it’s is all just an opinion. I mean let’s put it down to is it all just an opinion. I mean it’s not a science. We’re talking about those kinds of things.

And I mean even science even that comes down snippy you know you talk about all these things and everything like that and everyone spend their entire life proving something and then some shit comes up and it totally disproves that Yeah so but then you’ve got different people with different opinions because nothing in this life in this world whatever you want to say is 100 percent there’s nothing.

Well that’s what I think people get big bogged down in science knows what’s the guy was going back on to MMR which I guess we might get onto a bit yeah whatever activity meeting as well I guess we’ll try and keep it all kind of tied into creativity otherwise we’re going to be doing like NBA basketball podcast like MMR a podcast like Star Wars podcast all the things we’re really into Yeah. So maybe we’ll do all of those things will happen but they’ll be focused around some will be yeah maybe how it’s influence culture like yes we’re going to do an MBA why we’re not just going to sit there and talk about it results in the playoffs or something like that we’ll talk about creative people within the or we might be say you know how there’s somehow a conversation about is Michael Jordan or not the best player of all time where. See that’s a fucking conversation where people whether they’d be like say something like Shannon Sharpe redistribute things like LeBron is a great four time I know he’s kind of doing it for the show. I do think he thinks it. Yeah he does believe that. Then you like okay so just purely on a cultural point of view. Michael Jordan’s just blowing him out the water it’s not even.

Yeah. And does that go. And it depends when you’re saying your favourite of all time or the best of all time. There are all these things in its like way if you’re going to go into that do you delve purely into stats. Yeah. Americans love their stats.

Me and yeah I mean that’s more than anything I like or so it’s Bill Russell. Yeah exactly. But then it comes down to well how many times you were in the finals and how many times you won. How many finals you won. Or is it statistics on how you play. It’s a team game in statistics or how you played in a team.

Each of those two things you’re either game Bill Russell or Wilt Chamberlain. Yeah there’s no like around it.

We like Chamberlain government whether they lose any finals. I mean I’m sure that the both of them probably did worse where’s Jordan. Did Jordan get to the finals and lose.

I know he did it he did it six times six in a row obviously with his two years off that’s all of the Finals MVP. He didn’t get the MVP regular season alone because I know in 93 it was Charles Barkley so MVP the regular season is kind of irrelevant almost nowhere. They just give it someone. Yeah. Yes is 6 in a row Jordan 6 finals MVP. Crazy stats. If you look at their career stats are crazy when you go back in your life. So Bill Russell did you win eleven NBA champion. I think I said that’s like that’s it.

And a lot of the Americans and especially a lot of the NBA things we listen to the Americans seem to like and I don’t probably adhere to this as much but I find it interesting obviously it’s like who’s won the most titles and that’s basically how they say it’s brave to break it down or like I said this is purely statistic base whereas like when you start saying like what impact is Jordan had on stuff outside you know on the outside of just playing. Yeah. You can’t compare that. Yes totally. It’s like Bill Russell’s titles.

There’s nothing that even comes to then once you go just slightly older Russell there’s all the people who I mean some of them are amazing players. Some are piggybacked and got eight or nine titles off the back of that they belt and Jordan played with him. Yeah exactly. Or there’s someone. How many titles are some like Robert Horry have? I think he probably has loads. He played for three different teams one crazy titles is like a big shot Bob. He just made a big shot and kind of did things kind of 1 won the game.

I know you won the title there and you know if it wasn’t Jordan you like he hadn’t hit certain of the shots they literally wouldn’t have won.

They literally wouldn’t why maybe won the title if it’s a bit you know if it’s a game 7 or you or you know like even if it’s a game 5 or 6 but yeah you know that got either four and that only one.

Maybe not getting too deep and I think if going back. Jordan was like Well okay so you just you’re just like in a fuckin the cultural aspect of it.

We should talk about this and just listen to Spike Lee talking about it. You know you go back to hand again my memory is like a seer right. Do the right thing. He was literally saying and I love I love Spike Lee. He’s a super interesting guy. He’s saying that people were walking with their toes pointing in like slightly what you’d call pitch in tow. They’re literally walking and turning their feet in because Jordan was slightly pigeon. I mean that’s just nuts. Yeah that is Lich.

He said he was doing it himself. Yeah and not only that but I mean we’re not even talking about like a style or. But then you know what they say when we’re talking about art and people like maybe us who know like you know we were really into it but not just the buying the Jordans but who designed the Jordan. Yeah. You know because the shoes were iconic. But Jordan didn’t design the fucking shoes. Yeah you know it’s like the guy who designed them and again we’re not going to get into it but maybe we’ll even talk about him on his own. Yeah he’s for sure no different ones. Super interesting man. Yeah he. He’s the one that changed the shoe game. Yeah cause through his designs but I guess it’s then a combination of all. He didn’t he didn’t design the design one Yeah I don’t know. And is the one the most iconic maybe other. I don’t know.

I liked it in. Have you watched that Spider Man It’s the spider version? Me and my son. We literally watch that all the fucking time I think it’s possibly my favourite Marvel superhero would defecate against superhero stuff. I’m quite a big comic collector and the creativity of people like Stan Lee all that stuff but then saying this spider man is the spider verse the new character. Well Miles Morales Spacey becomes the new Spider-Man not after West. It’s complicated you have to watch it take a while to explain it. Then part of his outfit is that he’s sort of a young kid and he was like Jordan one’s all right with the spy is a crazy iconic shoe.

It’s funny actually talking about that because you know you’re obviously collecting Jordan’s in an era when people I mean obviously there were people collecting them but it wasn’t the big deal and it’s like now like what is actually retro or retro styled we’re going to probably do like an issue actually talking about art not just stick into Jordans but that whole kind of theme. But I remember just as an anecdote like when I was playing I was. Playing ball six I went to. We both went to Art College actually and it was the old Hornsby College of Art. But it was Middlesex University when we went there. Middlesex University already taken and I was playing basketball. So for the university and at the time I got like those Velcro Air Force Ones. And I again. So this would have been around 99 2000 I think. I was wearing them and they’re all my teammates were laughing at me and they called me old school because I was wearing Air Force Ones with the Velcro. And to say that now to sounds totally ridiculous. But at that time and like I said I mean this is memories and stuff but they were calling me it because I was wearing them. I was the only person wearing them and I remember vividly being in Watford which is kind of where we did most of our growing up and stuff which is an area kind of you could call it north London you could call it north of London whatever.

I remember walking past Foot Locker and seeing the Air Force Ones and you had Jordan ones when we were kids. Yeah.

And obviously you know I mean again if we go into it there they’re very similar. You know like the way they put together the kind of shoe but it literally it just flashed at me and I was like I’m getting them straight away and I’m not trying to say I’m no trendsetter in any way but it was the memories and from watching the old Jordan footage and watching all those things and loving the Air Force Ones and etc. etc. everything was outside Jordan one I mean near Jordan one but then also dunks and Air Force One is that saying got reinvented in Nike Sb as well.

Yeah. And they’re just cool on top of anything back to when we go into the original skateboarding stuff. I mean people have different views about it as well as like we’re just Bones Brigade all the way pretty much. Yeah. A lot of people say yeah OK. All those punk guys yeah stuff where were we. You know we’re talking about everything that when you’re five or six you’re not you’re not really thinking about it.

It was kind of like it was like countercultural. Exactly.

You know it is what you just see something it’s not like there’s even options you see it. And when it comes down to it like you can say what you want.

And we would definitely do an episode on skate surf culture and stuff or even maybe separate ones I would imagine when it comes to it because this is something we love to talk about is that the skate culture and parts of the surface culture and a Bones Brigade one let let’s just take the bones brigade for example and people who know about it. Look you got Tony Hawk and Tony Hawk had an influence on skateboarding and a lot of via the actual game that totally changed skateboarding. So that that stands in itself. He was the best vert skater. Full stop. And again you know this kind of comes to this thing where we’re all the way back to what we said at the very beginning of like well someone else is going to tell me no this is the best but let’s say that’s Tony Hawk and that’s a name that everyone knows. Now let’s take a name. Virtually probably no one knows unless they’re skaters is Rodney Mullen. Yeah right. Rodney Marlon was part of the bones brigade. Yeah in a loose kind of way. But yeah you know like he was basically part of that group and he his impact on actually skateboarding I’m not talking about skate culture because you’re Tony Hawk game and everything changed get chased skate culture in a way that nothing else did.

But Rodney Mullen and then it basically essentially all the tricks that everyone’s doing actually like 75 percent of virtually all the street tricks. That say yeah because this is this is street skating before it was street skating and it was called Freestyle and then everyone comes back to that. ALLEN what’s his face who invented the early but that’s kind of weird because he was doing it on transition and transition obviously that means he was doing it like you know like in a bowl or on or on a ramp or something like that. But let’s say kick flip and the kick flip is the basis of all technical street skating yeah really yeah. Let’s just call it that but then so. So I mean let’s just say that Rodney Mullen you know was also in there and he changed everything so two guys in that group yeah totally change skate culture and skateboarding itself.

Yeah but even if you stay on power and I guess it’s still called the Bones Brigade at that point it is like Ray Barbie and stuff isn’t it. Oh yeah. No. Right yeah. Ray Bobby was in my band this year.

No they’re still calling it Bones Brigade all I think when I think that Bones Brigade I kind of thing like the initial Tony Hawk, Steve Caballero Mike McGill Tommy Guerrero Lance Mountain Yeah it’s kind of the five. Yeah it’s that because and again for us the reason that’s the kind of five is because the video that was out at the time was the search for Animal Chin and that was the five guys and they come across all the guys along the Way Rivers. And yeah that’s already the third video yeah. And when we’re talking about Powell and the bones brigade this is what Stacy Peralta did. Yeah that totally changed the way he was videoing and those videos were just yeah you’d never seen anything like it.

In the Search for Animal Chin everyone was wearing Jordans once and I mean for skating like we found out you know you were Converse all-stars you go through them in a day yeah. You know something like that but like something like that kind of shoe it provided support. Yes. And it was like super well-made and super strong all the stitching was incredible. That kind of thing. You could actually skate for a long time and then without having it like be sewing on like leather. I can only patches or whatever it was we would then yeah for sure. I mean this is probably like I mean this is a good and a bad example of what the pod cast is going to go down. Yeah the first one but we’ve actually dipped into a lot of the things that are going to be in episodes that are coming up so at least we’ve touched on them and we’ve talked for a few minutes and we obviously have rambled and like I said that is really why I am like I am a Rambler.

I think it’s going to go rambling but I think I mean I just you know wondering I mean maybe we just get feedback from everyone listening. How long should ship be because you sometimes like you know? I don’t think we’re going. Joe Rogan why we’re doing three hours three hours or even The Nine Club, shouts those guys who were sometimes the mike V is has done the longest.

Yeah I think he’s almost four hours. I think it was five. You know I might vary as well that one if anyone is into skateboarding hit up The Nine Club. MIKE V was a super interesting one amongst Yeah loads as a good press for all but those guys man. So yeah super good podcasts. Funny. You know skateboarding needed a podcast. Yeah. And literally I can think of a better way that they’re doing this is really good.

So probably what we do is we wrap up episode zero here and then we might actually just fly straight into an episode one and try and be maybe a bit more specific where we might be asked to keep it around in and then just tell people a bit more about what we’re doing but we’ll probably at least for the short term be sort of breaking it down into hour long episodes like that and also wondering.

It’s probably quite important to say which maybe you’d be better off saying it or explaining it more is that this one’s going to come out and there’s going to be a gap basically or there might be a couple and then a gap but obviously we want to be putting this out once a week.

That’s the aim. But this one because Jamie obviously needs to get it online and do all of the technical kind.

So this is episode zero just to link up on all the. It’s a kind of test RSS feeds and get everything out that’s wise.

Episode 0 and why we’re not talking about any one specific thing but we’re just basically shit chatting like we said is a little kind of introduction.

But at the same time give us a little taster of ways we’re going to go maybe we mentioned a couple of people we’re going to or hoping to get on anyway we’ll just we’ll cut this one here yeah go to our commercials that we do ourselves because we Yungun any other sponsors that moment but possibly we just you know if we get enough support people backing up our thing on social sharing it liking on the podcast things and you know hopefully that then translates into people and we’ve already been charged into our newsletter with some contacts about basically potential things that Yeah touch. Yeah. I mean we have fun coming at artists. Anyway we can then speak with them. So we’re going to try and doing it and there probably will be some other sponsorship outside of us. But you know it also be nice if people support Nepal cost by just going into our online shop and buying something.

I mean we’re really happy to give shout outs as well you know. So I wanted to shout you out and stuff like that. Are you doing something with pleasure. You know.

So any suggestions or anything like that but I think well you can pretty roll straight into episode one off the back of this and authentic conversations going to I don’t follow exactly the same thread at least for the first episode. So thanks for taking a minute. Thanks for listening.